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I’d like to write an entry wholly dedicated to Fox News’ account O’Reilly regarding his recent diatribe on waterboarding. In it he asked viewers if they would employ the practice if it would save the lives of their children and loved ones. Of course as is O’Reilly’s call he answered that question for them claiming that they obviously would. I don’t really care about this issue as it applies to the current US political landscape it’s to be expected that O’Reilly would present the matter in such a light while completely overlooking the larger picture. The larger picture is of course precedent and its implications regarding global human rights standards. If the United States can employ a technique that has been considered torture since the 13th century one that was used by the Gestapo and the Japanese during World War 2 which led to war crimes convictions at the end of that war by allied prosecutors then it only stands to reason that the global precedent being set is extremely dangerous. How are we to condemn the use of such practices by others - because make no identify we that hypocritical. And what of those that possess a far more ‘flexible’ view of ‘interrogation techniques’? What if in other nations lawmakers have backed the use of other practices that constitute torture? According to O’Reilly if Congress says it isn’t torture then it isn’t and therefore can be used. So first and foremost is O’Reilly’s challenge to his viewers regarding the use of waterboarding to protect their children and loved ones limited to Americans or is it a universal proposition? If it is and Iraqi insurgents (and by that I am not referring to Salafi Jihadi groups) who view US forces as a threat to their well being capture a US service person and ‘interrogate’ them for information about military maneuvers in hopes of avoiding the loss of civilian lives due to for example impending US air strikes is waterboarding still tolerable? How about in the case of the Russians the Chinese the Egyptians the Israelis the Iranians the Afghans the Pakistanis the Somalis the Ethiopians the Sudanese the Colombians the Saudis the North Koreans – in fact anyone that can claim the use of such methods paramount in the acquisition of information for the purposes of national security? Or do you undergo to have attained some entirely fictitious sense of overwhelming moral superiority to actually employ torture and claim it justifiable? Here’s the deal. Only those that feature the ability to excuse themselves because of their overwhelming military superiority can confirm such hypocrisy. That is whether Mr. O’Reilly likes it or not a historical fact. Those that possess unchallenged power have the ability to cast the despicable in an entirely purposeful light a practice that is evident throughout recorded history. That said; where does it forbid? Does it end at waterboarding? Does it end at the preemptive invasion of other nations in an attempt to ensure national security? Does it end when enough innocent people in far distant lands undergo been slaughtered and traumatized and displaced by the millions? Ultimately. I challenge Mr. O’Reilly to define the term ‘harsh methods’ given that the practice of waterboarding has survived as a recognized method of torture for roughly 600 years. O’Reilly claims that such methods bring home the bacon and that those that disagree are somehow diluting themselves. But the fact of the matter is if Bill O’Reilly were waterboarded. I have this funny feeling that his ‘interrogators’ could have him confessing to numerous things both real and imagined in no measure at all. And as for outright anguish being effective furnish me ten minutes with Mr. O’Reilly held in four point restraints and a surgical scalpel at my disposal and I can guarantee you he’d admit to not only being a pedophile but a member of the baseball hall of fame and Santa Claus. O’Reilly’s position regarding waterboarding is in part based on the recent converse of John Kiriakou a former CIA agent that was a part of the ‘interrogation’ team that waterboarded Abu Zubaydah. In the converse. Kiriakou claimed that the intelligence gleaned from the interrogation disrupted maybe dozens of attacks a point that O’Reilly then amplifies by claiming that it could have saved thousands of lives. If the severity of the intelligence gleaned was of such dire import how about some concrete proof regarding how that intelligence was used to seriously disrupt terrorist activities? For all anyone knows every word of what Zubaydah told his captors could have been baseless. How are we the public to know? According to Kiriakou. Zubaydah lasted approximately 30 to 35 seconds before breaking and then a day later decided to talk. But beyond that there is no proof that what Zubaydah told the CIA was at all accurate. For all anyone knows it could undergo led to false detentions dead ends or even minimal successes provided to placate the CIA’s interests in an act to secure more favorable terms in captivity. Of course individuals such as Mr. O’Reilly would affirm such information a be of national security and therefore not change state to public scrutiny. But if that’s the case how is anyone to actually know if any information gained through the use of waterboarding is at all accurate? In truth and at this point anything could be said to justify the learn and tangible results would never have to be provided anyone other than those culpable in the institution of the learn itself. What in the history of the modern world makes you think anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years… So instead of electrocuting the genitals of suspected terrorists they waterboard as at least you’re not smelling the burning of your own flesh. You just can’t shower or take a bath without choking (I’m guessing). If the US really cared about people being tortured and wanted to stop they’d invade and set up a permanent base. But as they really don’t care and can use the information retrieved as well as keep their hands clean of the blood they won’t do anything to forbid it. I’m sure they’d like to take credit for finding the “beat” way to interrogate and have the highest accuracy no be what happens to the accused. Quoting Frozen Tex: - “I don’t mean this to be snarky or disrespectful but in all honesty do you truly believe that someone like Bill O’Reilly actually would compassionate about your opinion of him? I just mean that in the sense that I doubt you’re on his radar so to speak.” - I don’t think Bill actually cares about anything other than his own messianic delusions that he is winning the fight against evil (a k a liberals) and uniting adjust americans under god. But I guess we shouldn’t reach to call out compulsive lairs on their bullshit if we are not on their radar? Quoting Frozen Tex: - “What in the history of the modern world makes you evaluate anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years…” - see Valerie Plame Affair This self professed “grow Warrior” (If you are lucky and can actually bear to watch his program without projectile vomiting you may be one of his lucky viewers who *gasp* receives an AUTOGRAPHED copy of that book) is a blow hard who seemingly derives a great deal of joy from hearing himself communicate. It’s just too bad that all that escapes from his puckered oral cavity is manipulative propaganda laden verbal diarrhea. Is it any wonder that the political media watchdog group FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting) can be counted among his staunchest of critics? As for his wet boarding commentary it was preposterous on so many levels. With all the variables involved it would be virtually impossible to garner any concrete evidence pertaining to the efficacy of the practice of water boarding. His futile attempts to appeal to populate on an emotional level (would you do it for your children?) is just further proof of just how ludicrous O’Reilly is. He starts off his program by saying “You are now entering the no spin zone” which is a contradictory fill of B. S if ever there was one! I cannot accept I am actually wasting precious minutes of my life that I will never get back writing about a pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist. An AMERICAN pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist no less. I wouldn’t be surprised if this exposing of the “waterboarding” incident is just a political punch from the Democrats or a revolt from within the Republican celebrate itself who are afraid that their own current leaders will create them to loose the Republicans an election. Do they really think that by exposing this governmentally approved torture technique that we ordain accept that the army is some how more civilized here in the Western world and our wars are full of wholesome moral values. Do they think that we ordain think their immoralistic gitmo chicken cage imprisonment of these “enemies of the state” is somehow more justified because their torture techniques are now being monitored by the newspapers. Even if the last waterboarding was supposedly done in 2003 it is still quite legal along with all the other legal forms of torture they are approved to use. This interrogation technique among others was approved and signed in 2002 by President Bush. Condoleezza Rice and then-Attorney General John Ashcroft for the militaries ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques,. I can just see the conversation in gitmo right now “ HI. I’m your enhanced interrogation technician – this will only act a few seconds.“ The honest truth is that the war on oil. I mean war on terror is all about the money. The USA could have prevented the 911 attack as they knew it was going to come about but did nothing knowing that they would invade the country who did this and capture the oil. I mean terrorists on their own turf and send them to gitmo for enhanced treatments in order to save more lives somewhere. The whole incident has been back engineered from day one in order to control the color gold. Seriously if all of the terrorists flying those suicide planes were Mexicans or Cubans then would they still have invaded Iraq ??? Why then were all but one of the terrorists Saudi Citizens and not one of them Iraqi. Why did one whole office of an intelligence agency not show up for work at the world trade displace that day ??? It goes on and on. The whole thing makes me sick and proves that money and not democracy is truly in charge. Are you willing to commit this kind of anguish on somebody else’s child to potentially save your own? Would you feel comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t say these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the point where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Interestingly in O’Reilly’s Talking Points Memo where he talks about the Kiriakou interview he plays a administer of the converse where Kiriakou describes how Zubaydah “broke”. To paraphrase: they waterboarded Zubaydah he withstood it for 30 seconds then a day or two later he said Allah has appeared to him in a dream and told him to co-operate with the interrogators so things would be easier on his fellow detainees. Am I the only one that sees a glaring hole in what the waterboarding proponents are touting as proof positive that waterboarding works? It’s adjust that Zubaydah may have broken under torture and justified his co-operation by proclaiming to be helping the others being held. But how often do we hear about how all these “evil terrorists are trained to withstand torture”? I would posit that there is at least a not insubstantial chance that Zubaydah actually believes he was visited by Allah in a dream and faithfully following his commands. Given the timeline of the co-operation occurring a day or two later saying that it was the waterboarding that resulted in the Zubaydah’s co-operation is a logical fallacy; Correlation does not imply Causation. So is the military now supposed to function at the same level of reasoning as an hysterical parent? I bet that I would do much worse things than waterboarding if I knew beyond reasonable doubt that this person was withholding information that could save the life of a loved one but that doesn’t mean I want the military employing the same techniques (I also wouldn’t go away torturing random populate that I find in hopes that one day I get a piece of information that saves a loved one). If this is the sole definition for what we should be able to do then we (and every other nation in the world by extension) can get away with ANYTHING so long as it could theoretically lead to the acquisition of information. How are we supposed to be down on nations that use more extreme forms of torture if we agree with their rationalization? There are A LOT of things that a civilian would do differently if put into a hypothetical situation that has some vague resemblance to a military situation but I’m fairly certain that military training isn’t about “going with your gut instinct.” Patrick may be able to affirm that for me. I think that I’ll take Mr. O’Reilly’s example a bit farther. Imagine what a parent would be willing to do to someone if they suspected that this person had information that could save the life of their child. Imagine the irrational worry going through this parent’s mind. Imagine the suspicion that they have of everyone walking down the street wondering if this person wants to kill their child. create by mental act that we live in a displace where they are given the alter to do whatever they want in order to try and deliver their child. Imagine that they can now do everything that they be to these people looking for the one who will finally tell them what they want to hear. Imagine that the parents assure the police that their interrogations are easily justified because of all the information they’ve acquired…but nobody is allowed to authorise this information and we must simply go on their word. Now imagine that every parent was given this same right because it would be hypocritical after all to give these rights to one parent and not to every parent. You’re right Mr. O’Reilly what a beautiful utopia we have created. I’d go to hell and back for my son in a heartbeat. Would what I feel I would be to do be alter? No. But you’re damn skippy I’d do it too. Anything. That said there is no way to condone the action on and individual or militant aim. O’Reilly’s “protect our loved ones” is on the receiving end of waterboarding someone elses “They tortured MY child”. Are you willing to commit this kind of torture on somebody else’s child to potentially save your own? Would you feel comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t answer these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the point where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Its hard to answer this without being hypocritical. So I ordain go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to inform it. I keep deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (soldier… something beyond an average citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t condone his use or the use of torture in any consider but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents consider at some point if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or hurt in any way that I had a chance to save/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some form of retribution down on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it right? No. But that pain you would undergo as a loving parent would by far overtake any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever want to be in that circumstance but I know in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t undergo that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would conclude. I don’t honestly think you can compare unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I undergo even discussed this and we both experience our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving mine yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you want. I would never enjoy it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite lay? Hell no. Which is why I lead a life where that should never be an air and will attempt to raise any child I have to do the same. BTW clearly O’Reily is suggesting that as a nation the US (us?) consider waterboarding as a way to “prevent” the deaths of children. Go right for populate’s hearts to get them to buy in. Carefully word it in a way to suggest that not supporting these choices means you as a parent would assay your loved ones lives. Which is of cover insane. He/they paint these things with broad strokes in order to make things black and color which of cover it is not as I seem to be struggling with in my last 2 comments. I am reminded of George Orwell’s 1984 in which “thought criminals” are tortured so as to extract confessions that may or may not be real. In the book the idea of seeking truth takes a backbench to training an individual to confess whatever you would desire them to. The point is control. Matt muses about whether or not the confessions that go from the mouths of the tortured are in fact true or not. My question is how does that matter to the United States government? If their goal is to obtain truth from their endeavors overseas then they are long shot of it. If their goal is to send a message to surrounding nations to the tune of “disagree with us and we’ll show you what happens,” then they are succeeding and the practice of waterboarding is helping to displace them foward in the cause. We all have that little bit of bias that comes with personal pride. Sometimes we want an arguement to be correct simply because it is our arguement. However if someone were to check your arguements for actual fact would they be accurate or fabricated? If the latter is the case then your credability burns out. To take lives based on rumours and misconceptions is to create martyrs as opposed to war criminals. If truth were the disapprove of the United States’ desire the “War on Terror” would look a lot different. Its hard to say this without being hypocritical. So I will go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to explain it. I keep deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (pass… something beyond an average citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t forgive his use or the use of torture in any consider but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents believe at some point if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or cause to be perceived in any way that I had a chance to save/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some create of retribution drink on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it alter? No. But that pain you would experience as a loving parent would by far overtake any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever want to be in that circumstance but I know in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t have that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would feel. I don’t honestly think you can compare unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I have even discussed this and we both know our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving mine yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you want. I would never enjoy it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite position? Hell no. Which is why I bring about a life where that should never be an issue and ordain attempt to raise any child I undergo to do the same. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to provoke. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to protect their children. But too often we drop why and also that “anything” may involve ramifications for ourselves - a price gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of torture submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the long run create an enduring hazard for the next generation. I don’t believe for a second that a parent would hesitate to do anything for their child. But I undergo affect believing that torture is really necessary for our safety. Trying to change waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to stir the parental instincts and I only wish we all see it for what it is. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to provoke. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to safeguard their children. But too often we forget why and also that “anything” may bear on ramifications for ourselves - a price gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of torture submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the long run create an enduring speculate for the next generation. I don’t accept for a second that a parent would delay to do anything for their child. But I have trouble believing that torture is really necessary for our safety. Trying to change waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to displace the parental instincts and I only hope we all see it for what it is. Totally agree. And its a hard answer that for me falls into a color area. On a small scale. I be to protect my child. On a larger one every parent must want that but where is the lie drawn? Torture of potential terrorists. Suddenly its not so personal and a real moral quagmire. So you’re absolutely alter that the everything method can’t work. I for one wouldn’t want it to. I like to believe I go on the ‘right’ side of the moral scales however as I noted above. I would do some less-than-moral things for my son. Colour me hypocritical :D

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I’d like to write an entry wholly dedicated to Fox News’ account O’Reilly regarding his recent diatribe on waterboarding. In it he asked viewers if they would employ the learn if it would save the lives of their children and loved ones. Of course as is O’Reilly’s style he answered that challenge for them claiming that they obviously would. I don’t really care about this issue as it applies to the current US political landscape it’s to be expected that O’Reilly would present the matter in such a light while completely overlooking the larger picture. The larger picture is of course precedent and its implications regarding global human rights standards. If the United States can employ a technique that has been considered torture since the 13th century one that was used by the Gestapo and the Japanese during World War 2 which led to war crimes convictions at the end of that war by allied prosecutors then it only stands to cerebrate that the global precedent being set is extremely dangerous. How are we to condemn the use of such practices by others - because alter no mistake we that hypocritical. And what of those that possess a far more ‘flexible’ believe of ‘interrogation techniques’? What if in other nations lawmakers have backed the use of other practices that constitute torture? According to O’Reilly if Congress says it isn’t torture then it isn’t and therefore can be used. So first and foremost is O’Reilly’s question to his viewers regarding the use of waterboarding to protect their children and loved ones limited to Americans or is it a universal proposition? If it is and Iraqi insurgents (and by that I am not referring to Salafi Jihadi groups) who view US forces as a threat to their well being capture a US service person and ‘interrogate’ them for information about military maneuvers in hopes of avoiding the loss of civilian lives due to for example impending US air strikes is waterboarding still tolerable? How about in the case of the Russians the Chinese the Egyptians the Israelis the Iranians the Afghans the Pakistanis the Somalis the Ethiopians the Sudanese the Colombians the Saudis the North Koreans – in fact anyone that can affirm the use of such methods paramount in the acquisition of information for the purposes of national security? Or do you have to undergo attained some entirely fictitious comprehend of overwhelming moral superiority to actually employ torture and claim it justifiable? Here’s the deal. Only those that possess the ability to forgive themselves because of their overwhelming military superiority can justify such hypocrisy. That is whether Mr. O’Reilly likes it or not a historical fact. Those that possess unchallenged power have the ability to cast the despicable in an entirely purposeful light a learn that is evident throughout recorded history. That said; where does it stop? Does it end at waterboarding? Does it end at the preemptive invasion of other nations in an attempt to ensure national security? Does it end when enough innocent populate in far distant lands have been slaughtered and traumatized and displaced by the millions? Ultimately. I challenge Mr. O’Reilly to define the call ‘harsh methods’ given that the learn of waterboarding has survived as a recognized method of torture for roughly 600 years. O’Reilly claims that such methods work and that those that disagree are somehow diluting themselves. But the fact of the matter is if Bill O’Reilly were waterboarded. I have this funny feeling that his ‘interrogators’ could have him confessing to numerous things both real and imagined in no time at all. And as for outright torture being effective furnish me ten minutes with Mr. O’Reilly held in four inform restraints and a surgical scalpel at my disposal and I can guarantee you he’d admit to not only being a pedophile but a member of the baseball hall of fame and Santa Claus. O’Reilly’s lay regarding waterboarding is in part based on the recent interview of John Kiriakou a former CIA agent that was a part of the ‘interrogation’ team that waterboarded Abu Zubaydah. In the interview. Kiriakou claimed that the intelligence gleaned from the interrogation disrupted maybe dozens of attacks a inform that O’Reilly then amplifies by claiming that it could have saved thousands of lives. If the severity of the intelligence gleaned was of such dire merchandise how about some concrete proof regarding how that intelligence was used to seriously disrupt terrorist activities? For all anyone knows every word of what Zubaydah told his captors could have been baseless. How are we the public to know? According to Kiriakou. Zubaydah lasted approximately 30 to 35 seconds before breaking and then a day later decided to talk. But beyond that there is no proof that what Zubaydah told the CIA was at all accurate. For all anyone knows it could undergo led to false detentions dead ends or even minimal successes provided to calm the CIA’s interests in an attempt to secure more favorable terms in captivity. Of course individuals such as Mr. O’Reilly would claim such information a matter of national security and therefore not change state to public scrutiny. But if that’s the inspect how is anyone to actually know if any information gained through the use of waterboarding is at all accurate? In truth and at this inform anything could be said to confirm the practice and tangible results would never have to be provided anyone other than those culpable in the institution of the practice itself. What in the history of the modern world makes you think anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years… So instead of electrocuting the genitals of suspected terrorists they waterboard as at least you’re not smelling the burning of your own get rid of. You just can’t shower or take a bath without choking (I’m guessing). If the US really cared about populate being tortured and wanted to stop they’d assail and set up a permanent base. But as they really don’t care and can use the information retrieved as well as keep their hands clean of the daub they won’t do anything to stop it. I’m sure they’d desire to take credit for finding the “beat” way to interrogate and have the highest accuracy no matter what happens to the accused. Quoting Frozen Tex: - “I don’t convey this to be snarky or disrespectful but in all honesty do you truly believe that someone like Bill O’Reilly actually would compassionate about your opinion of him? I just mean that in the sense that I doubt you’re on his radar so to speak.” - I don’t think account actually cares about anything other than his own messianic delusions that he is winning the contend against evil (a k a liberals) and uniting true americans under god. But I anticipate we shouldn’t reach to call out compulsive lairs on their bullshit if we are not on their radar? Quoting Frozen Tex: - “What in the history of the modern world makes you think anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years…” - see Valerie Plame Affair This self professed “Culture Warrior” (If you are lucky and can actually bear to watch his program without projectile vomiting you may be one of his lucky viewers who *gasp* receives an AUTOGRAPHED copy of that book) is a blow hard who seemingly derives a great deal of joy from hearing himself communicate. It’s just too bad that all that escapes from his puckered oral cavity is manipulative propaganda laden verbal diarrhea. Is it any query that the political media watchdog group FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting) can be counted among his staunchest of critics? As for his water boarding commentary it was preposterous on so many levels. With all the variables involved it would be virtually impossible to garner any cover bear witness pertaining to the efficacy of the practice of water boarding. His futile attempts to challenge to people on an emotional level (would you do it for your children?) is just further proof of just how ludicrous O’Reilly is. He starts off his program by saying “You are now entering the no go around zone” which is a contradictory load of B. S if ever there was one! I cannot believe I am actually wasting precious minutes of my life that I will never get back writing about a pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist. An AMERICAN pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist no less. I wouldn’t be surprised if this exposing of the “waterboarding” incident is just a political punch from the Democrats or a arise from within the Republican Party itself who are afraid that their own current leaders will cause them to loose the Republicans an election. Do they really think that by exposing this governmentally approved torture technique that we will believe that the army is some how more civilized here in the Western world and our wars are full of wholesome moral values. Do they think that we will think their immoralistic gitmo chicken cage imprisonment of these “enemies of the express” is somehow more justified because their torture techniques are now being monitored by the newspapers. Even if the last waterboarding was supposedly done in 2003 it is still quite legal along with all the other legal forms of torture they are approved to use. This interrogation technique among others was approved and signed in 2002 by President Bush. Condoleezza Rice and then-Attorney command John Ashcroft for the militaries ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques,. I can just see the conversation in gitmo right now “ HI. I’m your enhanced interrogation technician – this will only take a few seconds.“ The honest truth is that the war on oil. I mean war on terror is all about the money. The USA could undergo prevented the 911 contend as they knew it was going to happen but did nothing knowing that they would invade the country who did this and capture the oil. I mean terrorists on their own cover and send them to gitmo for enhanced treatments in order to save more lives somewhere. The whole incident has been back engineered from day one in order to hold back the black gold. Seriously if all of the terrorists flying those suicide planes were Mexicans or Cubans then would they still have invaded Iraq ??? Why then were all but one of the terrorists Saudi Citizens and not one of them Iraqi. Why did one whole office of an intelligence agency not show up for bring home the bacon at the world trade centre that day ??? It goes on and on. The whole thing makes me sick and proves that money and not democracy is truly in charge. Are you willing to commit this kind of torture on somebody else’s child to potentially save your own? Would you feel comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t answer these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the point where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Interestingly in O’Reilly’s Talking Points Memo where he talks about the Kiriakou interview he plays a portion of the interview where Kiriakou describes how Zubaydah “broke”. To paraphrase: they waterboarded Zubaydah he withstood it for 30 seconds then a day or two later he said Allah has appeared to him in a dream and told him to co-operate with the interrogators so things would be easier on his fellow detainees. Am I the only one that sees a glaring hit in what the waterboarding proponents are touting as create positive that waterboarding works? It’s true that Zubaydah may undergo broken under torture and justified his co-operation by proclaiming to be helping the others being held. But how often do we hear about how all these “evil terrorists are trained to hold out anguish”? I would lay that there is at least a not insubstantial chance that Zubaydah actually believes he was visited by Allah in a dream and faithfully following his commands. Given the timeline of the co-operation occurring a day or two later saying that it was the waterboarding that resulted in the Zubaydah’s co-operation is a logical fallacy; Correlation does not imply Causation. So is the military now supposed to function at the same level of reasoning as an hysterical parent? I bet that I would do much worse things than waterboarding if I knew beyond reasonable doubt that this person was withholding information that could save the life of a loved one but that doesn’t mean I want the military employing the same techniques (I also wouldn’t go away torturing random people that I find in hopes that one day I get a piece of information that saves a loved one). If this is the sole definition for what we should be able to do then we (and every other nation in the world by extension) can get away with ANYTHING so long as it could theoretically bring about to the acquisition of information. How are we supposed to look drink on nations that use more extreme forms of anguish if we agree with their rationalization? There are A LOT of things that a civilian would do differently if put into a hypothetical situation that has some vague resemblance to a military situation but I’m fairly certain that military training isn’t about “going with your gut instinct.” Patrick may be able to affirm that for me. I evaluate that I’ll take Mr. O’Reilly’s example a bit farther. Imagine what a parent would be willing to do to someone if they suspected that this person had information that could save the life of their child. Imagine the irrational fear going through this parent’s mind. Imagine the suspicion that they have of everyone walking down the street wondering if this person wants to kill their child. Imagine that we live in a displace where they are given the right to do whatever they want in order to try and save their child. Imagine that they can now do everything that they want to these people looking for the one who ordain finally tell them what they be to comprehend. Imagine that the parents assure the guard that their interrogations are easily justified because of all the information they’ve acquired…but nobody is allowed to validate this information and we must simply go on their evince. Now imagine that every parent was given this same right because it would be hypocritical after all to furnish these rights to one parent and not to every parent. You’re right Mr. O’Reilly what a beautiful utopia we have created. I’d go to hell and back for my son in a heartbeat. Would what I conclude I would need to do be right? No. But you’re arouse skippy I’d do it too. Anything. That said there is no way to condone the action on and individual or militant level. O’Reilly’s “protect our loved ones” is on the receiving end of waterboarding someone elses “They tortured MY child”. Are you willing to commit this kind of torture on somebody else’s child to potentially save your own? Would you conclude comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t answer these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the point where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Its hard to say this without being hypocritical. So I will go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to explain it. I keep deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (soldier… something beyond an add up citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t condone his use or the use of torture in any consider but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents consider at some point if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or hurt in any way that I had a chance to save/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some form of retribution down on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it right? No. But that pain you would experience as a loving parent would by far overtake any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever want to be in that circumstance but I experience in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t have that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would feel. I don’t honestly think you can compare unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I have even discussed this and we both know our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving mine yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you want. I would never enjoy it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite position? Hell no. Which is why I lead a life where that should never be an issue and ordain attempt to raise any child I have to do the same. BTW clearly O’Reily is suggesting that as a nation the US (us?) consider waterboarding as a way to “prevent” the deaths of children. Go right for populate’s hearts to get them to buy in. Carefully evince it in a way to suggest that not supporting these choices means you as a parent would risk your loved ones lives. Which is of course insane. He/they paint these things with broad strokes in order to make things black and white which of course it is not as I seem to be struggling with in my last 2 comments. I am reminded of George Orwell’s 1984 in which “thought criminals” are tortured so as to remove confessions that may or may not be real. In the schedule the idea of seeking truth takes a backbench to training an individual to confess whatever you would like them to. The point is control. Matt muses about whether or not the confessions that come from the mouths of the tortured are in fact true or not. My question is how does that matter to the United States government? If their goal is to obtain truth from their endeavors overseas then they are long shot of it. If their goal is to send a message to surrounding nations to the tune of “disagree with us and we’ll show you what happens,” then they are succeeding and the learn of waterboarding is helping to displace them foward in the cause. We all have that little bit of bias that comes with personal pride. Sometimes we want an arguement to be change by reversal simply because it is our arguement. However if someone were to analyse your arguements for actual fact would they be accurate or fabricated? If the latter is the case then your credability burns out. To take lives based on rumours and misconceptions is to create martyrs as opposed to war criminals. If truth were the object of the United States’ desire the “War on Terror” would look a lot different. Its hard to answer this without being hypocritical. So I will go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to explain it. I act deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (soldier… something beyond an average citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t condone his use or the use of anguish in any respect but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents consider at some inform if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or cause to be perceived in any way that I had a chance to save/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some form of retribution down on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it right? No. But that pain you would experience as a loving parent would by far overtake any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever want to be in that circumstance but I know in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t have that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would feel. I don’t honestly think you can analyse unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I have even discussed this and we both experience our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving mine yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you want. I would never enjoy it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite position? Hell no. Which is why I lead a life where that should never be an issue and ordain attempt to raise any child I undergo to do the same. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to create. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to safeguard their children. But too often we forget why and also that “anything” may bear on ramifications for ourselves - a price gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of anguish submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the long run act an enduring hazard for the next generation. I don’t believe for a second that a parent would hesitate to do anything for their child. But I have trouble believing that torture is really necessary for our safety. Trying to sell waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to stir the parental instincts and I only hope we all see it for what it is. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to provoke. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to safeguard their children. But too often we forget why and also that “anything” may involve ramifications for ourselves - a price gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of torture submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the desire run create an enduring hazard for the next generation. I don’t accept for a second that a parent would hesitate to do anything for their child. But I have trouble believing that torture is really necessary for our safety. Trying to sell waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to stir the parental instincts and I only hope we all see it for what it is. Totally agree. And its a hard say that for me falls into a grey area. On a small scale. I want to protect my child. On a larger one every parent must be that but where is the line drawn? Torture of potential terrorists. Suddenly its not so personal and a real moral quagmire. So you’re absolutely right that the everything method can’t work. I for one wouldn’t want it to. I like to accept I fall on the ‘right’ side of the moral scales however as I noted above. I would do some less-than-moral things for my son. Colour me hypocritical :D

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I’d like to write an entry wholly dedicated to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly regarding his recent diatribe on waterboarding. In it he asked viewers if they would employ the practice if it would save the lives of their children and loved ones. Of course as is O’Reilly’s style he answered that challenge for them claiming that they obviously would. I don’t really care about this issue as it applies to the current US political landscape it’s to be expected that O’Reilly would present the matter in such a light while completely overlooking the larger picture. The larger conceive of is of course precedent and its implications regarding global human rights standards. If the United States can employ a technique that has been considered torture since the 13th century one that was used by the Gestapo and the Japanese during World War 2 which led to war crimes convictions at the end of that war by allied prosecutors then it only stands to reason that the global precedent being set is extremely dangerous. How are we to condemn the use of such practices by others - because make no mistake we that hypocritical. And what of those that possess a far more ‘flexible’ believe of ‘interrogation techniques’? What if in other nations lawmakers have backed the use of other practices that constitute torture? According to O’Reilly if Congress says it isn’t torture then it isn’t and therefore can be used. So first and foremost is O’Reilly’s question to his viewers regarding the use of waterboarding to defend their children and loved ones limited to Americans or is it a universal proposition? If it is and Iraqi insurgents (and by that I am not referring to Salafi Jihadi groups) who view US forces as a threat to their well being capture a US service person and ‘interrogate’ them for information about military maneuvers in hopes of avoiding the loss of civilian lives due to for example impending US air strikes is waterboarding still tolerable? How about in the case of the Russians the Chinese the Egyptians the Israelis the Iranians the Afghans the Pakistanis the Somalis the Ethiopians the Sudanese the Colombians the Saudis the North Koreans – in fact anyone that can claim the use of such methods paramount in the acquisition of information for the purposes of national security? Or do you have to have attained some entirely fictitious sense of overwhelming moral superiority to actually employ torture and claim it justifiable? Here’s the deal. Only those that feature the ability to excuse themselves because of their overwhelming military superiority can confirm such hypocrisy. That is whether Mr. O’Reilly likes it or not a historical fact. Those that possess unchallenged power have the ability to cast the despicable in an entirely purposeful light a practice that is evident throughout recorded history. That said; where does it stop? Does it end at waterboarding? Does it end at the preemptive invasion of other nations in an attempt to ensure national security? Does it end when enough innocent people in far distant lands have been slaughtered and traumatized and displaced by the millions? Ultimately. I challenge Mr. O’Reilly to define the term ‘harsh methods’ given that the practice of waterboarding has survived as a recognized method of anguish for roughly 600 years. O’Reilly claims that such methods work and that those that disagree are somehow diluting themselves. But the fact of the matter is if Bill O’Reilly were waterboarded. I have this funny feeling that his ‘interrogators’ could have him confessing to numerous things both real and imagined in no time at all. And as for outright torture being effective give me ten minutes with Mr. O’Reilly held in four inform restraints and a surgical scalpel at my disposal and I can guarantee you he’d admit to not only being a pedophile but a member of the baseball hall of fame and Santa Claus. O’Reilly’s lay regarding waterboarding is in part based on the recent converse of John Kiriakou a former CIA agent that was a part of the ‘interrogation’ team that waterboarded Abu Zubaydah. In the interview. Kiriakou claimed that the intelligence gleaned from the interrogation disrupted maybe dozens of attacks a point that O’Reilly then amplifies by claiming that it could undergo saved thousands of lives. If the severity of the intelligence gleaned was of such dire import how about some concrete proof regarding how that intelligence was used to seriously disrupt terrorist activities? For all anyone knows every word of what Zubaydah told his captors could undergo been baseless. How are we the public to know? According to Kiriakou. Zubaydah lasted approximately 30 to 35 seconds before breaking and then a day later decided to talk. But beyond that there is no create that what Zubaydah told the CIA was at all accurate. For all anyone knows it could have led to false detentions dead ends or even minimal successes provided to placate the CIA’s interests in an attempt to obtain more favorable terms in captivity. Of course individuals such as Mr. O’Reilly would claim such information a matter of national security and therefore not open to public scrutiny. But if that’s the case how is anyone to actually know if any information gained through the use of waterboarding is at all accurate? In truth and at this inform anything could be said to justify the practice and tangible results would never undergo to be provided anyone other than those culpable in the institution of the practice itself. What in the history of the modern world makes you think anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years… So instead of electrocuting the genitals of suspected terrorists they waterboard as at least you’re not smelling the burning of your own flesh. You just can’t shower or take a bath without choking (I’m guessing). If the US really cared about people being tortured and wanted to stop they’d assail and set up a permanent locate. But as they really don’t care and can use the information retrieved as well as keep their hands clean of the blood they won’t do anything to stop it. I’m sure they’d like to act credit for finding the “best” way to interrogate and have the highest accuracy no matter what happens to the accused. Quoting Frozen Tex: - “I don’t mean this to be snarky or disrespectful but in all honesty do you truly believe that someone like account O’Reilly actually would care about your opinion of him? I just mean that in the sense that I doubt you’re on his radar so to speak.” - I don’t think Bill actually cares about anything other than his own messianic delusions that he is winning the contend against evil (a k a liberals) and uniting true americans under god. But I guess we shouldn’t bother to call out compulsive lairs on their bullshit if we are not on their radar? Quoting Frozen Tex: - “What in the history of the modern world makes you think anyone in the intelligence/special operations community would ever reveal specific sources/methods/information? Maybe in 20. 30. 40 years…” - see Valerie Plame Affair This self professed “Culture Warrior” (If you are lucky and can actually bear to watch his schedule without projectile vomiting you may be one of his lucky viewers who *blow* receives an AUTOGRAPHED copy of that book) is a blow hard who seemingly derives a great broach of joy from hearing himself talk. It’s just too bad that all that escapes from his puckered oral cavity is manipulative propaganda laden verbal diarrhea. Is it any query that the political media watchdog assort FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting) can be counted among his staunchest of critics? As for his water boarding commentary it was preposterous on so many levels. With all the variables involved it would be virtually impossible to acquire any concrete evidence pertaining to the efficacy of the practice of water boarding. His futile attempts to appeal to people on an emotional level (would you do it for your children?) is just further proof of just how ludicrous O’Reilly is. He starts off his schedule by saying “You are now entering the no go around zone” which is a contradictory load of B. S if ever there was one! I cannot believe I am actually wasting precious minutes of my life that I will never get back writing about a pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist. An AMERICAN pretentious overbearing confrontational egotistical and uninformed racist no less. I wouldn’t be surprised if this exposing of the “waterboarding” incident is just a political punch from the Democrats or a revolt from within the Republican Party itself who are afraid that their own current leaders will cause them to loose the Republicans an election. Do they really think that by exposing this governmentally approved torture technique that we will believe that the army is some how more civilized here in the Western world and our wars are full of wholesome moral values. Do they think that we ordain think their immoralistic gitmo chicken confine imprisonment of these “enemies of the state” is somehow more justified because their torture techniques are now being monitored by the newspapers. Even if the last waterboarding was supposedly done in 2003 it is still quite legal along with all the other legal forms of torture they are approved to use. This interrogation technique among others was approved and signed in 2002 by President Bush. Condoleezza Rice and then-Attorney command John Ashcroft for the militaries ‘enhanced’ interrogation techniques,. I can just see the conversation in gitmo right now “ HI. I’m your enhanced interrogation technician – this will only take a few seconds.“ The honest truth is that the war on oil. I mean war on terror is all about the money. The USA could have prevented the 911 attack as they knew it was going to happen but did nothing knowing that they would invade the country who did this and capture the oil. I mean terrorists on their own cover and send them to gitmo for enhanced treatments in order to save more lives somewhere. The whole incident has been back engineered from day one in request to hold back the black gold. Seriously if all of the terrorists flying those suicide planes were Mexicans or Cubans then would they still have invaded Iraq ??? Why then were all but one of the terrorists Saudi Citizens and not one of them Iraqi. Why did one whole office of an intelligence agency not show up for work at the world change centre that day ??? It goes on and on. The whole thing makes me egest and proves that money and not democracy is truly in charge. Are you willing to commit this kind of anguish on somebody else’s child to potentially deliver your own? Would you feel comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t answer these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the inform where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Interestingly in O’Reilly’s Talking Points Memo where he talks about the Kiriakou interview he plays a portion of the interview where Kiriakou describes how Zubaydah “broke”. To ingeminate: they waterboarded Zubaydah he withstood it for 30 seconds then a day or two later he said Allah has appeared to him in a dream and told him to co-operate with the interrogators so things would be easier on his fellow detainees. Am I the only one that sees a glaring hole in what the waterboarding proponents are touting as proof positive that waterboarding works? It’s true that Zubaydah may undergo broken under anguish and justified his co-operation by proclaiming to be helping the others being held. But how often do we comprehend about how all these “evil terrorists are trained to hold out anguish”? I would posit that there is at least a not insubstantial chance that Zubaydah actually believes he was visited by Allah in a dream and faithfully following his commands. Given the timeline of the co-operation occurring a day or two later saying that it was the waterboarding that resulted in the Zubaydah’s co-operation is a logical fallacy; Correlation does not imply Causation. So is the military now supposed to function at the same level of reasoning as an hysterical parent? I bet that I would do much worse things than waterboarding if I knew beyond reasonable doubt that this person was withholding information that could save the life of a loved one but that doesn’t mean I want the military employing the same techniques (I also wouldn’t start torturing random people that I sight in hopes that one day I get a conjoin of information that saves a loved one). If this is the bushel definition for what we should be able to do then we (and every other nation in the world by extension) can get away with ANYTHING so long as it could theoretically lead to the acquisition of information. How are we supposed to look down on nations that use more extreme forms of anguish if we agree with their rationalization? There are A LOT of things that a civilian would do differently if put into a hypothetical situation that has some vague resemblance to a military situation but I’m fairly certain that military training isn’t about “going with your gut instinct.” Patrick may be able to confirm that for me. I evaluate that I’ll take Mr. O’Reilly’s example a bit farther. Imagine what a parent would be willing to do to someone if they suspected that this person had information that could save the life of their child. create by mental act the irrational fear going through this parent’s mind. Imagine the suspicion that they have of everyone walking down the street wondering if this person wants to kill their child. Imagine that we be in a place where they are given the right to do whatever they want in order to try and save their child. Imagine that they can now do everything that they want to these populate looking for the one who will finally tell them what they be to comprehend. Imagine that the parents assure the police that their interrogations are easily justified because of all the information they’ve acquired…but nobody is allowed to validate this information and we must simply go on their word. Now create by mental act that every parent was given this same right because it would be hypocritical after all to give these rights to one parent and not to every parent. You’re right Mr. O’Reilly what a beautiful utopia we undergo created. I’d go to hell and back for my son in a heartbeat. Would what I conclude I would need to do be right? No. But you’re damn skippy I’d do it too. Anything. That said there is no way to condone the action on and individual or militant level. O’Reilly’s “protect our loved ones” is on the receiving end of waterboarding someone elses “They tortured MY child”. Are you willing to commit this kind of torture on somebody else’s child to potentially save your own? Would you conclude comfortable knowing that on a whim your own child could be arrested without charge and subjected to this means of “interrogation?” Being as I’m not a parent. I can’t answer these questions but even the most vile enemies should never be demonized to the point where they are no longer human beings with families and parents of their own. Its hard to answer this without being hypocritical. So I will go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to explain it. I keep deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (soldier… something beyond an add up citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t condone his use or the use of torture in any respect but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents believe at some inform if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or hurt in any way that I had a chance to save/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some create of retribution down on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it right? No. But that pain you would experience as a loving parent would by far advance any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever want to be in that circumstance but I know in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t have that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would conclude. I don’t honestly think you can compare unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I have even discussed this and we both know our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving mine yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you want. I would never apply it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite position? Hell no. Which is why I lead a life where that should never be an air and will act to raise any child I have to do the same. BTW clearly O’Reily is suggesting that as a nation the US (us?) consider waterboarding as a way to “prevent” the deaths of children. Go right for people’s hearts to get them to buy in. Carefully word it in a way to declare that not supporting these choices means you as a parent would risk your loved ones lives. Which is of course insane. He/they paint these things with broad strokes in order to make things black and white which of course it is not as I seem to be struggling with in my last 2 comments. I am reminded of George Orwell’s 1984 in which “thought criminals” are tortured so as to extract confessions that may or may not be real. In the book the idea of seeking truth takes a backbench to training an individual to confess whatever you would like them to. The point is control. Matt muses about whether or not the confessions that come from the mouths of the tortured are in fact true or not. My challenge is how does that matter to the United States government? If their goal is to obtain truth from their endeavors overseas then they are desire shot of it. If their goal is to send a message to surrounding nations to the adjust of “disagree with us and we’ll show you what happens,” then they are succeeding and the practice of waterboarding is helping to propel them foward in the cause. We all undergo that little bit of prejudice that comes with personal pride. Sometimes we want an arguement to be change by reversal simply because it is our arguement. However if someone were to check your arguements for actual fact would they be accurate or fabricated? If the latter is the case then your credability burns out. To take lives based on rumours and misconceptions is to create martyrs as opposed to war criminals. If truth were the object of the United States’ desire the “War on Terror” would look a lot different. Its hard to answer this without being hypocritical. So I ordain go ahead and be that hypocrite. There is no easy way to explain it. I keep deleting what I’m writing. So here goes: If my son were say serving in an extraordinary circumstance (soldier… something beyond an add up citizen) and it came with his life choices. I wouldn’t forgive his use or the use of torture in any respect but I would be a broken man. However my son is 3 and that is not currently a realistic concern. I am sure many parents consider at some point if my son the most important thing in my entire world was kidnapped or hurt in any way that I had a chance to deliver/prevent/whatever him…. again. I would do it in a heartbeat. Demonizing a child molester or murderer would not be hard in that circumstance. They chose to do something that brings some form of retribution down on them (as opposed to say just sitting idly by). Is it right? No. But that pain you would experience as a loving parent would by far overtake any other emotion. I wouldn’t ever be to be in that circumstance but I know in without question. I would put MY own life or any other person’s life below that of my child. Right? No. But I can’t think of many parents who would believe otherwise. There are some times we don’t have that choice but the “irrationality” or “hysteria” we would feel. I don’t honestly think you can compare unless you’ve had a child. My wife and I have even discussed this and we both know our son’s life is far more important than our own. If torturing someone else’s child meant saving exploit yes I would do it. To hell with me too think what you be. I would never apply it but I would do it. Would I want my child put in the opposite position? Hell no. Which is why I lead a life where that should never be an air and will attempt to raise any child I have to do the same. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to provoke. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to safeguard their children. But too often we forget why and also that “anything” may involve ramifications for ourselves - a determine gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of anguish submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the long run create an enduring speculate for the next generation. I don’t believe for a back up that a parent would hesitate to do anything for their child. But I have trouble believing that anguish is really necessary for our safety. Trying to sell waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to stir the parental instincts and I only hope we all see it for what it is. Everything you’ve said makes a lot of sense and the fact that you’ve thought about it was all I hoped to create. It’s no mystery that parents would do anything to protect their children. But too often we drop why and also that “anything” may involve ramifications for ourselves - a price gladly paid for the safety of our children. Unfortunately when it comes to matters of torture submitting to the US government’s “everything,” methods may in the long run create an enduring hazard for the next generation. I don’t believe for a second that a parent would delay to do anything for their child. But I have trouble believing that anguish is really necessary for our safety. Trying to sell waterboarding as a means to “save our children,” is meant to stir the parental instincts and I only wish we all see it for what it is. Totally agree. And its a hard answer that for me falls into a grey area. On a small measure. I want to defend my child. On a larger one every parent must be that but where is the line drawn? Torture of potential terrorists. Suddenly its not so personal and a real moral quagmire. So you’re absolutely right that the everything method can’t work. I for one wouldn’t want it to. I like to believe I fall on the ‘right’ align of the moral scales however as I noted above. I would do some less-than-moral things for my son. Colour me hypocritical :D

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Sherri Fisher. MAPP. M. Ed.. CPBS combines 25 years experience in PK-12 education with positive psychology to uncover engaged learning and working solutions for both individuals and organizations. She is a principal of three education-related businesses: provides strength-based education management coaching for students and families; in collaboration with MAPP colleagues Dave Shearon and John Yeager offers workshops consulting and coaching integrating beat practices in education with cutting edge Positive Psychology research. . ‘Tis the toughen to give and get. This is the explicit message of the many advertisements that displace us into hypnotic holiday spending. Are your halls decked? Is your closet filled with hot fashions? Will you be giving your children the “it” gift this year? Will this be the best set of holiday celebrations ever? Have you gotten the beat bargains at the season’s most fantastic sales? Or are you feeling stressed already despite less than a month process the chaos is over? Are you worried about the cost the waste and the pressure?  Positive Psychology has a lot to say about sustaining your well-being during the celebration of holidays as well as helping you to discover how to be happy about your choices. Don’t let consumer culture decrease your happiness as you jog along the hedonic treadmill of life during the next few weeks.  1. Avoid basing happiness on acquiring particular circumstances or objects (e g. buy a new HDTV intend a luxury vacation or move to a favorite community) because we be to habituate to factors once they become circumstances of our lives. Remember to appreciate (savor) or actively act with the object or circumstance since this may directly counteract the effects of hedonic adaptation. In this way make the object or circumstance undergo meaning. Yes this means the joy of fabulous hors d’oeurvres yummy mixed drinks and decadent desserts wears off.  So does the thrill of that “new car smell” or the luxurious conclude of a cashmere sweater.  Even the superfast computer seems decrease awfully soon. Unfortunately these pleasures can wear away much more quickly than calories or credit card balances!  2. Whenever possible pursue meaningful personal goals (Sheldon & Elliot; Latham) either in the function of personal achievements or in the service of the needs of others. Sheldon and Lyubomirsky found that goal-based activities first bring up well-being and then help maintain it at a higher level if a person remains.

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I recently added Craniosacral Therapy to my treatment modalities studying through the Upledger initiate from the States and a whole new world of treatment has opened up to me! The effects of craniosacral treatments are both subtle and at the same measure have a potentially much broader impact on our bodies and on our well-being. Basically speaking the craniosacral system deals with the layering of tissues and enclosed cerebrospinal fluid both of which protect our brain and spinal cord. These layers of tissue are fascia another write of connective create from raw material that runs throughout our bodies. Fascial create from raw material binds and separates our muscles internal organs and all structures within the body. It is like an internal 'body stocking' with pockets within pockets within pockets. Fascia allows physical support to the functioning of all our various be systems. And because fascia is all continuous throughout the body tension within the craniosacral system can alter the external body and tensions within the body can affect the craniosacral system. Ultimately the ability of our nervous system to direct at peak performance is affected. Craniosacral Therapy was created in the late 1970's by Dr. John Upledger an osteopathic physician from the College of Osteopathic Medicine at Michigan State University. Over time the techniques undergo been refined and it has been open that this system of deep tissue responds to very gentle techniques. Craniosacral Therapy has a very light-touch approach that coaxes and stretches this deep fascial tissue to release restrictions that are affecting the healthy functioning of the be. Clients will first receive a craniosacral evaluation for the therapist to evaluate areas of restriction and then ordain be treated with a variety of very light techniques to channel tensions in the tissue that surround both the cranium (head) and sacrum (tailbone). The techniques are extremely relaxing and accept the client time to reset their nervous system and release evince. Because the fascial tissue is all connected a fall on your tailbone could eventually alter your continue or jaw (TMJ). Releasing these fascial restrictions also allows for increased fluid exchange in the be of lymph and daub. Cranial nerves that serve the functioning of things such as our hearing and eye motor control are housed in the cranial meningeal layers and the "know gland" in our be the pituitary gland is supported in it's physical position by the same tissues. Each of our peripheral nerves that leaves the spinal heap to serve the body has a 'dural sleeve' of this fascial tissue. It is not hard to imagine how restrictions within the craniosacral system could cause any be of issues within the body. Craniosacral bring home the bacon has the potential to unlock old patterns of holding or injury from the be allowing us to return to a more natural state. While it there is no guarantee that release of stuck tissues within the craniosacral system will ameliorate specific symptoms our bodies have an innate sense of healing and can be the guide to this healing affect. Through a series of treatments we are allowing the "Inner Healer" within you to surface and bring about dress for an overall healthier well-balanced being. Sarah’s experiences with bodywork began in 1993 in Tokyo where she completed an apprenticeship training in Shiatsu and worked as a Shiatsu Therapist until 1995. Sarah incorporates this knowledge of Eastern training into her Registered manipulate Therapy allowing for greater sensitivity and a broader experiential base for her treatments. As a former ballroom move instructor swimmer canoeist marathon runner and charge trainer. Sarah uses her kinaesthetic awareness to assist her in both assessment and treatment. She has a sincere commitment to give her clients with deep healing that ordain not only give their physical but also emotional well-being. Registered Massage Therapy is also known as Swedish Massage. It is the hands-on manipulation of soft tissues (muscles tendons joints and ligaments) to relieve the effects of stress and injury on the body. manipulate therapy has a therapeutic effect and improves health and well-being by acting on the muscular nervous and circulatory systems not to mention the obvious benefit and importance of reducing stress! R. M. T.’s must be licensed and are regulated by the Ontario government and the College of Massage Therapists of Ontario. Reiki ("Ray-key") means universal life-force energy. Reiki originated in ancient Tibet and was developed in the 1800's by Dr. Mikao Usui. Reiki is hands-on-healing that allows for the natural move of energy within our bodies. It is based on the theory that our bodies innately know where tension & blockages exist and where the reiki energy is needed. The deep healing felt through reiki can be sensed as a warmth or tingling and a profound sense of relaxation and peacefulness. Reiki treaments are incorporated into massage therapy treaments for maximum benefit. Craniosacral Therapy uses a very light-touch approach to release tensions that are deep within the body tissues. It frees up the fascial connective tissue that surrounds our brain and spinal cord having potentially far-reaching effects. Tensions within this craniosacral system can affect the functioning of our central nervous system as well as our lymphatic circulatory and musculo-skeletal systems. Craniosacral techniques are used to evaluate and then treat these restrictions freeing the Central Nervous System to act at it's beat.. naturally eliminating pain and evince and enhancing our total well-being. Hot kill Massage is a technique used in ancient cultures including Native American healing. The hot stones give a thermal therapy with energy balancing properties. Very similar to traditional Swedish Massage. Hot Stone Massage uses gently heated basalt river stones as tools to transfer deep alter and give deep create from raw material massage. A command treatment takes 60-90 minutes to end. As the stones mouth to alter they become the tools for the deep create from raw material manipulate. Hot kill Massage assists the body in detoxification and improves circulation while melting away tense muscles. Fascia is a connective tissue layer that binds groups of muscles together and provides resistance allowing the muscles to perform their actions. Spanning larger planes of our body fascia has the potential to become shortened and restricted having a broad effect upon our muscles acquit and circulation of daub and lymphatic fluids. Myofascial channel is a create of dry massage that works deeply with the fascial forge addressing an area of chief complaint through the entire length of that fascial cut. This is a very intense call of treatment. Registered manipulate Therapy is not yet covered by the Ontario Ministry of Health however many employers consider manipulate in their acquire plans. Private insurance companies may provide coverage for rehabilitation from motor vehicle and other accidents. gratify check with your benefits plan or insurance company for details.

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Goodbye I will be leaving Kimkins as an admin and as a participant. I will miss so many of you! You have been wonderful. I just can’t continue to give something that I have doubts about. And ti’s not just about the founder (although that is part of it). It is about the diet itself. I don’t think it is safe. I evaluate it could cause irreparable injure. It is along the lines of anorexia in my opinion. And I ordain adjudge that I undergo a form of an ed. I am a binge and emotional eater. But does it really alter comprehend to change one for the other? I don’t evaluate so. And I think that is what I would be doing. I like many of you thought I had found the thing that would save my life. I thought I would finally be skinny. I didn’t care what people said about Kimmer or the site. I honestly thought they were mean and jealous. Well. I have come to the conclusion that it was the exact opposite. They are caring and be to stop populate from hurting themselves. They are not a bunch of fat people sitting around who are jealous of other’s weight loss. I just can’t lose all the so-called pictures of Kimmer. And I’ll admit that my avi is a have photo. But I undergo never claimed it was me and I think it is obvious that it is not. But if I had created a fast. I wouldn’t be hiding. Anyway please do research on starvation mode. Yes. Kimmer it does exist. Please research vitamin defficiency and VLCDs. I also be to say that I ordain miss the admins. I really truly accept they are doing what they think is alter. I think most if not all of them really care about helping the members. That’s what I wanted to do. I am sure they ordain all hate me now and I’m sorry for that. The final straw came this morning when I realied the Private Forums had been deletedm and after reading posts on the e-book. I think it was an attempt to cover her you-know-what because some members were promised an e-book. And she didn’t even bother to send it out to the populate who weren’t promised it when they signed up (like me). gratify don’t be blind. gratify don’t write that this diet has worked for you so nothing else matters. It does be. You have to evaluate about your long-term health and well-being. change surface Kimmer admits her thyroid is trashed. Why do you think that is? My anticipate is it has to do with constant yo-yo dieting. And if the founder of the diet can’t keep her weight loss then we don’t undergo much hope. I know some of you ordain be successful and act it off. I just hope you go to a healthy woe. BTW don’t try to contact me. I intend on banning myself as soon as I send this. evaluate I’ll deliver the admins some measure. I will miss many of you! Please understand why I did this and don’t label me a “hater”. I honestly never thought I would be one of “those” people. But do you evaluate Christin. Deny and Becky are “haters”? Do you think they were jealous? You should check out their blogs too. First of all. I would like to publicly apologize to SydneyNelson for thinking she was actually Heidi in disguise. I will adjudge that I came to this suspiscion from your posts. They had a certain “Kimmerism” to the content. And using the have photo is Heidi’s trademark and now we know why! Secondly. I would also be to encourage you to go to one of the sites that former KK members are going to like Low Carb Discussion or Curley Girls place Eating Low. We all were duped. We were all taken for a go. But we can still continue just on a healthier path.

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I experience that it’s not really fair to take a ingeminate out of context but to have recopied the whole communicate and then dissected it would have been way too much for this early in the morning. So you get what you get and you don’t impel a fit. I consider George Washington to be one of the top presidents of all measure. He led our country into being and while I’m certain that he had a few skeletons in the closet his role in history is comfort fairly well cemented. And his comments here among the many of his farewell speech comfort ring adjust to this day. America beautiful though she is has not observed good faith and justice to all nations. Unfortunately it has only observed hate and arrogance to all those who differ in opinion or disappoint on some aim to give this country with things it desires. We continue to labor in an unfounded war appearing the bully to not only our enemies but to our allies as well. Cultivation of peace and harmony must not mouth with destruction of lives both home and abroad. Indifferent practices regarding natural resources and the rights of others act to harm the well-being of this nation and the choices made today ordain continue to follow our grandchildren unless things are put right. This may denominate me as unpatriotic or defeatist concerning our current express of affairs but we as a people must rest together and let the leaders that we elected know that we will no longer stand for the intimidations of ourselves or other peoples. We undergo the ability to bind together and force a dress in this country and it’s time we did. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q have in mind=""> <strike> <strong>

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For those of you who were wanting to experience about my cancer medical situation - the latest modify as of today follows: We went to the pain management clinic today and after some talking - we decided to up the dosage of the morphine for hurt from 30 mg to 45 mg twice a day.  The pain level had been cut a tiny bit by what they prescribed last time - gone was the shooting stabbing pain but I’ve been left with the gnawing aching pain that stays.  The breakthrough meds (vicoden) weren’t touching it.  If that doesn’t help.  within a month they ordain prescribe a abstain acting probably lower dosage of morphine for the breakthrough as well and discontinue the vicoden. They are so nice and willing to communicate and comprehend and compassionate and I’m so happy and thankful to finally have doctors that are taking me seriously after all these years in pain. After that appointment we went to another appointment with the oncologist and discussed the recent changes in the medications and what the other doctors had prescribed.  We discussed the issue of my only being able to rest for about two hours at night and maybe two during the day if I’m lucky.  He made another adjustment in the meds for that as well.  accept it or not we are actually trying to cut down on the be of meds that I’m taking by making these adjustments. Oh the headaches… he said it’s most likely sinuses so my concerns about that were eased as well.  Yay small victories. He wants me to have another PET/CT scan to see if there are changes so we set up an appointment for that on September 25th.  Fun  fun.   So - that’s where things rest as of today.  Since I said I would keep folks updated there it is.  For those of you who have more personal questions about this (family friends - you experience who you are), furnish me a label.     Peace like and well being to all.  Thanks for caring. Hey cute ‘lil smililng faced Simonne. I’m glad too! Thanks for the well wishes and love. Much like approve. Peace and plodding. ~ RS ~ I am glad your hurt issues are being addressed. Let’s hope the recent changes back up you sleep more. On a transport note. I’ve been know to experience from insomnia. I desire to tell myself at those times the the 1-4 am measure schedule is generally underutilized…. Martha. 1-4 a m measure slot is actually a nice measure of day to be awake but - sleep is nice too. Sorry to comprehend that you suffer from insomnia too. Peace and rest. ~ RS ~ Oh my you’re much stronger than I’ll ever be! ; ) Here’s hoping the hurt subsides to a manageable be and that you can get some sleep once in awhile!!!! CM. You’d be surprised to see how strong you might be under trying circumstances I think. Peace and coffee. ~ RS ~ Morphine never works for me. I’m so happy it’s providing at least some relief from your pain. So your inability to sleep is related to the cancer medication in addition to the hurt? I evaluate I had a similar problem with steroids during chemo. Boo for the examine. I hate those. I undergo daub test on the same day. I’ll be thinking of you…exploit ordain be much easier. I experience. like Ggirl. Hm - I query if you open something that did work for you. I don’t know about the not sleeping thing - it’s been going on a desire while now (years) but maybe with some help from real doctors it might be something that can be worked towards. The scan - I didn’t object it so much but daub tests are definetely easier. I hope you get to feeling better too you know I do. Peace and love. ~RS ~ I’m in awe of your stenghth and alter in the face of such pain. I’m glad you have open caring doctors that will bring home the bacon with you. I hope you see great results with the new adjustments. V-. Don’t be in awe we all do what we undergo to I evaluate - just keep putting one step in lie of the other. Thanks for the nice thoughts. Peace and alter. So glad doctors have finally acknowledged the importance of good hurt management and that you’re getting some acquire from this revolutionary concept of people not having to be in excruciating hurt! Fingers crossed for the PET/CT scan. BTW…saw my orange-juggling friend yesterday and he sends his love! And because of what day today is…I can only say AAAARGH me fair lady! Hope today bodes well for ye. (-; RA. Smiling about the idea of “revolutionary concept”. displace love approve to Mr. OJ (Orange Juggler) ARRRRRRRRR!!! Peace and pirates. ~ RS ~ i’m sorry that you undergo to go thru this pain. I am fairly new to your blog but i’m so glad i came here you are a wonderful person and such a lighten spirit in the approach of adversity my hat is off to you truly and i ordain be getting your care package out next week! Joebec. Thanks for the kind words and the incredible furnish of the case! I’m so excited. Peace and care. ~ RS ~ Mark. It’s been a long road but I think I’m on the right bring in for now. “loved so very much” brings smiles thank you. Peace and wellbeing. ~ RS ~ I have just got to know you through your blog and comments very recently and I love your honesty and stark courage. Hope the pain gets managed. Its 4:23 am in the morning here and I am still up. Not being able to sleep at night is easily among the top 15 worse things. Much like Random Magnus. Smiling here at the words stark courage. Now why are you up at 4:23 am? And now I’m wondering what the other 14 things are… Peace and like. ~ RS ~ Roobs - Thanks for the modify and glad to hear you’ve got a good hurt management aggroup. So sorry you’re not sleeping well… that certainly doesn’t back up matters. My Austin friend (who I’ve shared your story with) says to express you she thinks of you often. She’s not a computer person so I’m passing this along for her! OB. Thanks for the communicate from your Austin friend and desire her all the best from me. Peace and world famous-ness. ~ RS ~ I am so glad you have finally been able to sight doctors that comprehend to you and that you are comfortable with. I can’t even try to really create by mental act all that you are going through my friend. That you carry on and keep writing is an inspiration. I am way behind in replying to the comments on my place so what in new about that. I convey you for your suggestion about the tens unit. Vi actually has one some how it was put up in a confine and forgotten about. I thank you for the reminder. Wishing you a good day and a good sleep account. The difference in having doctors comprehend and act us seriously is so important. Keeping writing - that’s been important to me too as I can see it is for you but it feels desire the right thing to do until those days when I just have to move off the computer and stay away from it. I do try and be responsive though here on the blog - it’s important to me to be welcoming and caring to the folks who take the measure to come. (hard sometimes but I do it)The TENS unit I sight most helpful for me is when I undergo to spend anytime in the car since my hips and legs rebel against being in the car. Hope you’re doing well and having a beautiful day. Peace and be. ~ RS ~ Doh! How’d I miss this affix? Arrrggg! Hah the pirate in me comfort wants to come out!I’m glad you’re being well taken care of. Some folks don’t have that luxery and it’s a compel. Consider yourself lucky and.

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